So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. You bet they worked! In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. It never got up. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. You know the kind with the locking bolt. and .32 Rem. Not so the .358 Norma. A cross-section of loads for the .358 Norma Magnum include the (1) Sierra 125-grain JHP, (2) Sierra 170 FMJ, (3) Speer 180, (4) 200-grain cast bullet and a (5) Sierra 200 roundnose. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. The case capacity of the .350 Rigby is very similar to that of the .358 Norma Magnum, and the performance is likewise similar. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Bottles & 12-oz. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. was introduced in 1955. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. Food for thought, is it not? In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. The .358 Norma Mag. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Mag. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Mag. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. 35 Whelen. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. I believe it never will. Movement is more random in big country. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. All rights reserved. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Then come the .270s. They can take their time and pick their shots. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. I was wrong. It has never failed me. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska.
