Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. No, they liked they Irish accents so much that they took on the names out of respect. The Merchant Princes of Belfast (West India Traders) where rebuked by Thomas McCabe the Watchmaker of North Street for attempting to establish the slave trade there. Maybe blacks were named because they didnt speak english! Thank you for sharing the madness and anger that lives within my Irish family. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. This is so true, Africans have claimed slavery as their own. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. Obviously African-Americans had it worse if you look at it in a way where most of their race went into slavery.yes, their own people were involved in the slave trade..but again Im just stating facts!!!! Top 100 Irish surnames in Ireland: 1. The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. They could understand the Irish. Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. What may be a mytth, however, is the numbers posited in the original article. So it comes as no surprise that no matter where you go, you tend to run into classic Irish names. Brown is another common Irish surname. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. I enjoy being educated, there is so much to learn that I wish our young people were taught, so they would love instead of hating each other. Basketball player Blake Griffin and comedian Kathy Griffin are two of the most well-known people with the surname Griffin. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. Was that part of their original contract? Please describe discrimination that you personally face everyday? We have to stop making up excuses for white slaveholders and the damage they inflicted onto their black captives, including the removal of our names and stripping us of even the knowledge of knowing where we are (specifically) from as the Irish, English, Spaniards, Scottish, etc. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." It is derived from the Gaelic Conchobhair (descendant of Conchobar "lover of hounds"). Children sent north. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. Famous McCarthys include Pulitzer Prize-winning American novelist Cormac McCarthy and actress Melissa McCarthy. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. The brits found you in the new world, the so called African Americans are really the native americans- the moors. The real culprit is blind greed, economic opportunism, and plain availability. O'Neill 11. No.. this is skipped when you learn about politics and English/Irish relationships (IRA was very active at that time), but actually more understandable if only 100yrs before centuries of abuse were stopped.. In many cases freed slaves took the surname of people who were also kind to them. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Notable OSheas include actor Milo OShea and singer-songwriter Mark OShea. The Irish rioted against the draft board in the 19th century, because war is horrible, and they were being forced into something that had nothing to do with. Horrific story, and the things the Irish went through shouldnt be forgotten. More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. Did they live off the land, eat a lot of potatoes? Namaste. The bad words Jamaicans curse originated from Ireland. Famous examples include actresses Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, andMandyMoore. Captured irish were SLAVES, and nothing but slaves, no matter how these hysterical (fake) leftists are trying to prove otherwise. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. 250 years you say? Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. look im from ireland we are not racist people. I think there is lots of information here that people should know about. O'Connell 26. Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. Yet, let me put it this way, why does it seem like every black person wants to deny irish history? Blacks where all over the world. The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is 'dubh', and foreigner is 'gall'. Otherwise, I agree there needs to be some factual citations presented with the article. I also have enslaved Africans in my lineage who have an Irish surname. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. That is sooooo stupid. Racism based on the color of your skin post dates the bulk of African slavery, and predates the arrival of most Americans ancestors. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. Hackett was later hung for what he did. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. 10. Africans sold Israelites. However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. The master, overseer, slave driver and all of their male relatives or any white male visiting a plantation for business purposes could access any black woman and rape her. I Will keep the research going and will write another post that you will love. Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. because of there race ? Who where these owners? I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. Only problem how did the irish slaves keep their names. I got it on Amazon..there is a complete history of the Irish Slave trade. I am in my late 40s. When someone thinks of American culture they think of Scots-Irish. a male black slave cannot transfer an Irish last name.so it would have had to be a male Irish slave mating with an African slave women who would not have been the owner of the slave child , it would have to have the name of the white owner, so riddle us that?? Some of us blow it off, move on, and create a better life for our families. What happened to 6 million of them? Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. I think it was disingenuous to tell their story by minimizing the horrors experienced by African slaves. The most famous person with the surname Power is American film, stage, and radio actor Tyrone Power. Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. Famous people with the surname Lynch are actresses Jane Lynch and Evanna Lynch, as well as actor Ross Lynch. But this example is of the opposite. 8. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. I do so only under protest. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. The English Welsh and Scottish peoples all suffered by the hands of the elitist British. Simply put, they could blend in and have a life. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. #DoesntAddUp. Your overt and brazen bigoted comments against the Irish the kind of comments that would instantly be called racist if they were reversed are a perfect example of this playing off the inferior races against each other. The Norman invasions of 1170 and 1172 led by Strongbow saw yet another wave of immigrants settle in the country, many of whom fiercely resisted English dominance of the island in the centuries that followed. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. Many Native American tribes would enslave other tribes that theyd conquer. Its about connecting the dots. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. Famous OSullivans include actress Maureen OSullivan, actor Richard OSullivan, and singer Gilbert OSullivan. Yes they did. True Irish (native non-protestants) were not even allowed to own property in Ireland until the early 1800s. Could the Irish in specific have something to do with what the most High is doing in (phisical) (black) Israel? There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: 7. So if Irish slave girls intercoursed with black slave men, how did the Irish names carry through? Maybe because the African names were too hard to pronounce. We need to move past focusing on just one point in history to see the big picture. The South seceded from the Union because they wanted to keep their slaves that provided them with human field animals, human sex toys and the freedom to do anything they wanted with their human property. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." In fact, O'Dubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname O'Doyle. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. Its effect with regard to the subject of slavery on a whole only minimizes the atrocities of slavery and bigotry. There were NO WHITE OR IRISH SLAVES IN THE US. why do so many people dismiss the truth about irish slave black and white people dismiss the truth. Maybe wealthy Irish werent common, but they they did exist. But during the times of slavery in America the Irish people (in Ireland) were subjected to the penal laws, which I suspect were similar the the Jim Crow laws. Am Afro-American. Other aspects of racism and bigotry are far too complicated to touch on here. http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/irish-slaves-myth-2369653-Oct2015/. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. my mother in law was called Shanks, we are Irish from the north of Ireland. The history of the Irish enslavement should not be swept under the rug. It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. This very old and famous surname, equally popular in Scotland and England, has at least two possible origins, the first being a nickname given by the invading Angles and Saxons to the native Celts and Britons who were darker-haired and darker-skinned than themselves. There is truth in what you say. Gallagher is one of the most common hereditary surnames in County Mayo. This is how many other current events were going at the time, that is, not in the favor of the south. Fitz means son of and it would often come before the fathers forename. The english continued to try to extinguish the Irish through starvation, oppression etc in Ireland. Sad! Groups of the French invaders landed on Irish shores, bringing with them new customs and characteristics to native Irish people and Irelands culture. The only qualifying factor is; if its dehumanizing and/oppressive then its wrong! That is really a big difference between being a black slave compare to other slaves who was really indenture slaves. Even to this day many still believe that Irish slavery only affected a few thousands. THe Irish slavery myth is a white supremacists push back against the very real phenomenon of southern slavery. For decades Black people were not allowed to own property in the affluent areas and could only own property in poorer areas. If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). Visit The Information about Irelandsite to read more about Irish history, culture, and heritage. Burke The numbers and the periods have also been exaggerated to make the act look gross and longer. Stop with this damn lie. Yet, as a subject of historical discussion, it is almost never referred to in Ireland. While these forced deportees would have included political prisoners and serious felons, it is believed that the majority came from the poor and vulnerable. Karen, first and foremost thank you for your reply. In other words, the South stood more to lose. All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. Irish was not even a nationality at the time Catholic hovel living tenant farmers who couldnt vote, couldnt hold office, were taxed for their religious beliefs, couldnt pass the land to their children, couldnt learn in Catholic schools, had their language officially prohibited, subsisted on the potato, and were largely ignored when they were starving to death by their ruling government (Britain), evicted from their homes, sent off to die in the workhouses of Ireland, women shipped out in the scheme of assisted emigration, did I forget something? I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. In fact, some African tribal leaders were profited from the slave trade by allowing and assisting slave traders in raiding their enemies land. First of all, the reason for the Civil War was the Confederates secession from the Union. Ryan (30795) Well my last name is carmickle. No one could understand the African language. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. ^ this. So if Irish slavery and African slavery the same why arent the Irish suffering the same fate as blacks today. From its love for traditional art forms, including Irish dancing and trad music, its affinity for a creamy pint of Guinness, or its endless stream of iconic artists, including Oscar Wilde and Bram Stoker, Ireland is a small country with a big personality. Not allowed to marry in Geirgia. The impact of freeing the slave would be felt much more to the Confederates than the Union. 2) Even if it were 100,000 of them (which it wasnt) , it is already documented that many of them were indentured servants-not slaves and theres a huge difference! This is incorrect information. The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. Gaelic would not have been understood any more than African languages in the new world. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. Salem Quarterly Court. There are absolutely no records of this crap, only modern lore that is bandied about as long lost truths. Another theory of the origin of the term "Black Irish" is that these people were descendants of Spanish traders who settled in Ireland and even descendants of the few Spanish sailors who were washed up on the west coast of Ireland after the disaster of the Spanish Armada of 1588. Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. We were dwelling in Africa before being sold to the so-called white man (Edomites) by the hands of Africans (Hamites, specifically Tyre and Sidon) and Arabs (Palestine). [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. The oldest known Irish surname is OClery (O Cleirigh in Gaelic). Daly 25. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. The Normans originated in France, where black-haired people are not uncommon. Chattel is another form, but we dont call it chattel servitude, on the other hand slavery and servitude has been used interchangeably with indentured, mostly semantics in regards to an individual vs a people. Dont think for one second that Irish were liked by their british landlords. good reply. The Romans anyone? IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. The term cracker refers to a poor white overseer. Surname Origin: English, Scottish, Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: Browne, Braun, Broun, Breun, Bruun, Bruan, Brun, Bruene, Brohn Brown is the second most common surname among African Americans in the United States. You dont have to accept their politics any more than you should be insisting on your own when interrupting the past. The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. Interesting write up Eddie McFields. You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. I am black American and have African indentured servants in my lineage. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. and then share it for the world to see. Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Do you know where you Irish surname came from? Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. Musician and YouTube personality Charlie McDonnell is one of the most well-known McDonnells. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. Period. What is Black? The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. Dunne 28. In the sixteen hundreds EVERYONE came as indentured servants including Africans. I was crying, but I wouldnt changed the colors of how I seen Jesus. Riddle me this, if a irish woman is bred with an african man, would the child not take the last name of the MAN?! This was about 14% of all the recorded Kelley's in USA. If it were slavery, as the Africans suffered, it would have been called slavery. What yall ;need to figure out is why this history has been buried and who is gaining from that. When the KKK did not get enough traction in the south in the early part of the 20th century they moved North and preyed upon the Irish and Catholic immigrant. now what were we to do not fight back the ira would never of been invented had the brits not tortured us and refused us basic human rights. Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN There are points of contention with this article dont get me wrong, Im debating the who suffered which is not really a secret except it seems in the white-washed Protestant nation that is the United States to which many Blacks seem to be connected with. Sisters founded orders if nuns. Updated in 2022. That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. Count DanielOMahonywas a general in the Irish Brigade and is one of the most famous people with the surname OMahoney. Protestants believed that all Races came from one source. They resented having to serve in the civil war and dis honored black soldiers but they fly Confederate flags proudly. Even today the continent is littered with tribal dictators and warlords and they oppress the people below them and still treat them as slaves.
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