You're a blind moron, since you started name calling, when I'm just trying to help people out. Commercial Boilers. Secure it to the basement wall using the appropriate masonry anchors for your foundation wall. I often think these celebrities who endorse products do not really check completely into them. We have really high ceilings. No more, no less. Don't buy this slick ripoff. Build a mounting box out of 2 x 4 lumber and 3/4-inch plywood that will allow you to mount the new tankless water heater about four inches out from the wall. If a portable electric heater serves your needs, a low-cost model will kick out the same heat as an expensive model. I am lucky to have a couple of working ones, they do help, but after reading all the electric experts and cost of cheaper 1500w heaters, I must sadly say, I have been scamed. Payment options through Shop Pay Installments are subject to an eligibility check and are provided by these lending partners: [affirm.com/lenders]. Heating water accounts for approximately 15 percent of a home's energy use. Less expensive models one have tubes. I bet they will not stand behind the heater because you cannot get anyone to answer the phone and they just want you to give up. Heat from any 1500 watt electric heater will cost you $35.60 for 1 million btus of heat if you are paying 12 cents a KWH. Is the $300 Edenpure any better than a regular $20 electric space heater for any purpose? My heating bill was $30 month versus $90 in kersosene and the side effects it left.I had to install a heavier wire to carry the amp's but it worked when I needed a heavier heater(1000)I think oil companies will do anything to keep you hooked,my dad(81)spent $800 for a couple months,got a few heaters and saved a bundle. I don't know where the originator here got the cubic feet, but that is not from the EdenPure advertisiing. After calling the hardware store that sold the heater was told I would have to contact the company who finally sent a shipping label but the instructions say that you must use the original box. Burkett, William W. (Galena, MO, US) Burkett, Glenda Sue (Galena, MO, US) Application Number: 10/996346 . Conventional water heaters use energyusually either gas or electricityto generate heat. You do the math. You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. Want a great laugh? Here are the facts - 1) Duct loss in a basement is not always a bad thing , if your basement is too cold you risk freezing pipes so if the temp. I called customer service and they sent me a prepaid shipping label to return it and they sent me another one. A $50.00 Lasko has the exact same efficiency as its EP $450.00 counterpart. Its safer than most to. I am trying to heat about a 400 SQ foot area. You are dead wrong pilgrim. Frame homes use a radiant barrier as a film on the foam insulation on the outside of the home. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. They promote using zone heating to save money. My central gas system is currently broken beyond repair, and until I can install a new system, I am heating every room with electric space heaters, and here in the cold mountains, it's running $300-$400/month (yes, I know, it's temporary madness). No repairs either. Best of luck. The same method can be used in the walls, ceiling, and floor of a mobile home to regulate its temperature. Its a different volume of air being heated for different applications. Although electric heaters do heat a room, there are more energy efficient ways of doing that. Actual energy savings from high efficiency water heaters depend on family size, heater location, and the size and placement of water pipes. We. *** So the smaller heater will produce heat but others that I have tried burn the air. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 13, 2011: Thanks for the comment, ritamarie. Do not take my word for it call yourself 1-800-294-0280 and see if you can get through. are surprised when they experience comfortable, cost-efficiently operating systems in other manufactured homes. Here's examples of how those would work: 1) Say your furnace has a vent that blows all of the warm air straight outside every time the furnace kicks on giving no warmth to the house. Buyer beware ! has anyone else had this problem and if so can you advise me? I'm paying $0.17 per KWH, or $2.04 for an 8 hour run per day. I cannot tell you if the heater is worth it or not, because they will not answer the phone once you place an order. Common sense. Glad I read all these posts before wasting my money on Edenpure though. I have been in this house for 10 years, so in 10 years, I have spent just in those 3 months alone $15,000. Gas burners are a hazard in a barn with hay even if only in a side utility room. I bought the Gen4, have it in the living room in the center of the 1250 sq feet, and I have not turned on my heater. I cannot comment about the energy saving from the Edenpure Gen 4 as it quit working about 2+ months after it was purchased on EBay from Bass Pro Outlets. While at home he is not acting as an agent of the business so his actions were not in conflict with his duty of loyalty or notification. I was specifically sold on Bob Vila's endorsement of the product thinking I can trust the home improvement guru. [3][4] According to the review panel, investigations by major news outlets at the time, including CBS, "revealed inconsistencies which led to questions regarding his credibility and whether his claims could be proven". I have a Master of Science degree in Electrical Engineering, so I can tell you with precision that EdenPure's claims are false and misleading. Many times, the ductwork system in these homes are the coiled ductwork types that gets holes poked in it, or is otherwise leaky ductwork. Oil heaters transfer heat by convection. So reliability can be good or bad. The newer model 1000XL is still$59.00. I have changed my mind and will not be purchasing the eden pure and will no longer trust Mr. Vila as someone who has MY best interest at heart. There has got to be heat loss, because travels a long distance from the furnace ouside to the farthest point. Again, it was ZONE heating and with a heat pump, like that was going to save me money. turning you main source of heat down for the whole house and just warming up the areas you are in with the Eden Pure heater. CLAIM: With other heating sources, you'll notice you get sleepy because they are burning up oxygen. they sent me a RFH one it can to me in pieces they back cover was broken in several pieces. In fact, I had to get up and turn down the heat later as I was sweating. I am preparing to do that now. [8], When asked about Burkett's role in the controversy, David Van Os, Burkett's lawyer, responded with the hypothesis that someone may have reconstructed documents that they believed existed in 1972 or 1973.[9]. FACT: Of course it will. The cost was going to be $10,000. Certainly the bedrooms are cooler, but remember it is a zone heater not meant to warm the entire area of 1250 sq ft, although the bedrooms are not cold. There is no combustion taking place in any electric heater, and no oxygen is being used. I don't care if my electric bill doubles as long as I can put off ordering and paying this Government Created Shortage of Propane at astronomical prices. [1], Burkett had received publicity in 2000, after making and then retracting a claim that he had been transferred to Panama for refusing "to falsify personnel records of Governor Bush",[2] and in February 2004, when he claimed to have knowledge of "scrubbing" of Bush's TexANG records. The claims include: There are a few ways to use a portable electric heater to save money: Electric heaters are not an efficient way to heat a home cheaply. THIS is the reason the heating companies have zone heating. The USA has turned into a scam hotbed. Heat from #2 fuel oil burning furnace will cost you $33.25 for 1 million btus, if you are paying $3.58 per gallon. Your heating in the northern regions will typically average somewhere around $500/month. :). I have 1250 sq ft upstairs and 1250 downstairs. I needed the one with electric thermostat but I did not get that. It is a 20 x 15, a pretty decent size room. I have natural gas heat and now I like it even more. I finally find the place and they said i only had 30 days warranty not 60 days. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on October 31, 2011: John, it should remind you of every politician. For those of you who have high summer bills, I saved $1500 over the spring and summer months by setting my thermostat on 80 degrees and using floor fans (not box fans, but those on a stand, those that put out a lot of air). You still need them. Bobby Burkett ( Logan Huffman) is a promising quarterback for a struggling high-school football team. I could not see any savings at all. As well as my cats! Connect with Us PH: (269) 428-2723 PH: (877) 494-9357 Contact Us Edenpure heaters are CRAP. Bill Burkett fights back A key player in the Dan Rather Memogate saga sends a letter to CBS, charging that its independent investigation destroyed his reputation and ignored the network's own . Both heated equal areas in comparable ways, even though the Lasko only costs about $50. Have now started a dispute claim with my credit card company. So, that is where your decision lies if the small and inexpensive heater does not cost any more to use and will heat the same square footageDo you feel safe with the cheap one? Thanks. Answer: Virtually all electric space heaters at Amazon do the same heating job. If I was Bob Vila I would not put my name on the product if they cannot get anyone to anwser the customer service number or even return your calls. My last post was cut off - 2) A btu is a btu 1500 watts is 5100 btu's .That is all you can put on a 120 volt 15 amp curcuit . There just selling an alternative that has good and bad points like everything else on the market. My electric bill sky rocketed, can't think of anything positive where Edenpure heaters are concerned. AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. All I did was laugh when the very reputable heating and air company in our town quoted this amount. I am filing complaints against EdenPure ad commercials where I can, and working to get my mother's money back! About the same. How can heated ceramic plates absorb water? up. Let me first say, I have been praiseing the Edenpure for about 6 years. This year Feb 2011 they now want $94.80 for the same pack of bulbs. I have ran both units and can say for 100% certainty that my $39.99 radiator heater heated as well if not better than the Edenpure unit (neither put out enough heat to adequately heat my basement). The above people are correct, you can only get so much heat out of a given amount of electricity. The heated air is still coming through the ductwork, and when it reaches the closed vent, it has built up pressure which makes that much more of your heated air be lost through the small openings between the pieces of ductwork. 1) If a person commenting on this site is in the HVAC business they are automatically biased against EdenPURE because it competes with their services. ft. We tried their medium wings and a couple of the burgers. It is great for days like today when the chill was just too much in the house, but it is not something you want to use consistently during the day and night. Light Commercial Heating & Cooling. FACT: Nonsense. Investigations into his military service led to the Killian documents controversy. Not much more than the eden pure heater can generate in the same hour. My electric bill actually increased. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Poor Rita still doesn't get that cubic feet is the area that you have to heat, in a room. When the sunlight is in the right direction, I can see the dust particles floating by the intake. First is that your heating plant is grossly inefficient and that your heating ducts practically are routed outside the house to heat the outside before coming back inside. F0r reference, 1000 hours is about 42 days of continuous run time. I'm very disapointed and feel very stupid that I did not google this until now. Well it depends on what version you get. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 01, 2011: It looks like we are starting another season of the heater scam. For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. Burkett's Heating & Cooling is a premier choice for professional HVAC services in Piqua and Sidney, OH, and surrounding areas. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 12, 2011: Cold in Mass, you can only run your heater 1 1/2 hours at .17 a kilowatt, not all night. Why would Villa want to be associated with this ?? Bill Burkett was the CBS source in the Killian documents affair of 2004. As for bob vila. Thanks for the good info that saved me. The Gen 3 and 4 buyers beware, you're just the new victoms, your heating bulbs will probably be higher, because they are newer and new and improved. Directions to Burkett Heating & Cooling Authorized Dealer & Servicer We are authorized to install, repair, and maintain heating & cooling systems manufactured by some of the most renowned companies in the world. Question: Is any heater like this okayed by Insurance companies? Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. Electric heat is VERY expensive, no matter how much you pay for your heater. A good quality heat pump with good ductwork WILL outperform straight resistance electric heat. where is the savings plus spending $900.00 on the units. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. This guy can't read apparently. Edin Pure has more competition so their price should be competitive if they want to stay competitive. Of course, it seems that would use more electricity, but some of you just don't read the material correctly or don't read it at all. After a few weeks it was obvious that this heater is no more efficient than one I can buy mail-order or at Costco for $ 30.00-60,00, so I sent it back at my expense. Question: What is the best portable heater? Of course, they are not as pretty, and being a woman I do want my house pretty, but again if I can save that much money by not using the air until it hits 80 in the house (and BTW the a/c does not stay on long with the fans on). ", They would be dedicated to making sure the expectations of an ongoing pleasant experience that is designed into the commercial would be realized to the end of product life. They can be made of solid fabric or in the case of honeycomb (cellular) shades can be a blend of paper, lace, and/or fabrics. I have a completely electric home and wanted to reduce my electric bill as it is very high now. No complaints at all. BTW, I did see a DuraFlame (the maker of the duraflame logs) had a heater with a description that was practically identical to the EdenPure and it was only approximately $225. I just received an ad in the mail for a Comfort Furnace, Infrared Heater, that has all the same claims as the Eden Pure and selling for $329.00 (sale price) and a 3 yr warranty. He had to pay 25 bucks to ship it. d.william from Somewhere in the south on December 01, 2011: Good article. The best way to save money (in the long run), is to not only comply with your electricity company replacing things in your home that will give you a lower rate per kwh. Its only ment to heat up a small area with a person in it. Debra Breckenridge on September 20, 2011: I bought an Eden hearter last Dec. Most water heaters include a label listing the annual. CLAIM: With the EdenPure the temperature will not vary in any part of the room. I don't doubt people are saving money using the Eden Pure heater because "zone heating"I has to save money by not heating unused areas. Sign in to create job alert. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 08, 2011: Don, that is why I recommend buying through Amazon so you have their return policy protection. Zero marketing at that point. i have one, and believe me it has paid for itself, i have hot water heat powered by natural gas. Some of the comments by others state they have a comfortable house because the bought the heaters and they were 'comfortable'. Answer: A radiant barrier is a thin reflective fabric. 3) Infrared doesn't just heat air molecules, it also heats water molecules (humidity) as it passes through an infrared heat exchanger. THiS IS FOR JIMS COMMENT,IF U HAVE A HOT WATER HEATER THINK ABOUT WHAT UR SAYING IF THE WATER IS HOT U DONT NEED TO HEAT IT. There are none so blind as those who will not see. It just says if you use an Eden Pure heater to do "zone heating"I you will save money. Thank you so much! The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. All EdenPURE does is dress it up and jack the price to the stratosphere. To reduce how much electricity or gas your hot water uses and bring your bills down, consider these tips: Turn down the thermostat: Many hot water heaters are set to 140 degrees by default, but 120 is plenty hot for most household uses, and creates less of a scalding risk. Space heater with pretreated heat exchanger Patent number: 7046918 The point has been made of how some feel about it. Those heated water molecules will warm the human body faster than air molecules. I used to think Alex Trebec was an honorable man, but after seeing him and others like him offer this insurance that IS a SCAM for seniors, I have no respect for him. The E.P. Sorry folks, some things I forgot to point out One item that they point out in the Bob Vila scam (I can't call it anything but!) Ductless Heating & Cooling. The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently. And the glaring discrepancy between SCI's unsubstantiated bulb life claims and what consumers are reporting about the actual bulb life with the Edenpure products shows that SCI's claims have no basis in fact. And, BTW, author of this site, it is SQUARE FEET, not CUBIC as you stated. It can be on all of the time or set it to the temp you want to keep it at. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems claims of a US-1000 or Gen4 having 20,000 hour bulb life contains as much truth as a politicians typical campaign speech. Received two as a gift, have to run them both simultaneously to only get very modest heat. Yes, it is not as fast as any heater with a blower, however having that even heat is much more comfortable and healthy. There was an ad/coupon in the Sunday paper and then I caught the informercial on tv and felt I had found a good thing. dont buy this heater,if you live in California. The heat output from an electric heater goes directly into the room, without being lost to the leaky ductwork, that may be part of the reason that people observe that the electric heaters (edenPure or otherwise) appear to "solve their heating problems" !! ELECTRICAL ENGINEER on December 16, 2012: First of all, 120vac appliances are very inefficient compared to 220vac. Then, if you read the contents, there is no coverage for the first TWO years. My complaints is that I place my order 4 weeks ago still no shipment (endnpure.com states 5 to 10 dyas) & cust service does not respond to email and closed half the time. Still use the Edin pure in our basement vs, electric baseboard and it works fine. Storage heaters work by storing heat generated by cheap night-time electricity and releasing this heat during the day Most storage heaters are wall-mounted and look a bit like radiators. When I was 1st introduced to the Edin Pure, price of heating fuel was sky high. Because heating up a room with electric heat is the most expensive way to do it, simply closing off furnace ducts to unused rooms would result in bigger savings using an EdenPURE, and it would not involve the cost of a new heater. Even a child knows that hot air rises. But, to satisfy the originator of this, no I would not buy another EdenPure. I remodeled a mobile home and replaced the insulation and added drywall. Don't buy Edenpure heater they are scammer. So people, please pay attention to this post and others like it and don't fall victim to this Biotech/Eden pure scam. I've read enough negativity about these units I've decided to stick with name brands (Honeywell etc.) Unfortunately, most don't pay enough attention or don't care about the consumer. Why do you think they would do that? sellers and buyers must dedicate ourselves to paying the cost of doing the right thing or the one who doesn't dissappears. Receive a $75 bill credit when you enroll your eligible smart thermostat in a qualifying demand response program through one of our authorized thermostat providers. Unfortunately, the Eden Pure ad does not lie. Download PDF manuals for your EdenPURE product. They basically cut our heating bills in half and keep us nice and warm during the cold Pennsylvania winter nights. I just looked them up, and they are 42.99 plus 9.95 shipping. EdenPURE claims it uses a copper coil to reduce harsh heat. See who you know. The laws of physics, which can't be changed, say they'll both do the same thing. Placed an order for the Eden Pure Gen 4 after watching an TV commercial. Bob Vila gave two types of scenarios. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. The EdenPURE performer the same as my $50 Lasko electric heater. I'm currently waiting for my new EdenPURE 360, do you have an opinion about this one? I guess after all those years pushing Sears tools, Villa decided to push yet another scam. I purchased several other type of quartz heaters for back up heating source. I was at the UPS store today watching an old guy trying to return one of those pieces of junk. For your reference, I use Lasko heaters in my home and office. I am not endorsing any unit of any other just telling my experience with this unit, so do what you will with my comment. According to these naysaying braniacs her hairdryer should put out more heat since they claim all heat sources are 100% efficient, etc. With the cost of propane today at over $5.49/gal anything you can do to offset propane useage is a ++++++. If you read it carefully, it never really claims that the Eden Pure heater is a miraculous heat source. Now, if that is not a scam, a come on, a lead in, I don't know what it. He admitted to lying to CBS about the origin of the memos when he said he got them from fellow guardsman George Conn,[6] then claiming that he received the Killian documents from a woman calling herself "Lucy Ramirez" who has never been identified. Some people still can't get it. I saw Bob Vila's very convincing infomercial and I agree that space heating rooms might be more efficient than a leaky whole-house system, and it does seem logical that one 1500 watt 5000 btu space heater shouldn't be any better than another, but I would be interested to know if any Eden Pure owners have actually found this second point to be true. You can put a sheet of copper in front of your heater and buffer the heat with an electric heater. Baseboard heating provides far more uniform heat distribution. I havent tried other heaters because Ive been satisfied. I just received the flyer in my mail box regarding the Eden Pure Heater and am glad that I researched this on your website. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. Your info states 1000 cubic ft but the edenpure.com states 1000 sq ft. you also do no state the type of heaters being compared so this is not an apples to apples comparision just a guess. Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. By not heating the unoccupied rooms of your home, you will cut your heating bill. I ordered my heater on the 14th of Dec. and was told that it would not take more than 14 days (what a joke)I started calling around the first of January and I could not get anyone on the phone. We have provided heating and air conditioning services to residential and commercial homeowners since 1981. Received a reconditioned unit a week ago. Turned on in December. I realized that this was the start of giving me the run around. I have gas heat but use this at night to warm my bedroom, rather than raise the thermostat to heat the whole house. My heat gun is about 5 times hotter than my wife's hairdryer. Referrals increase your chances of interviewing at IMPACT by 2x. The real way to reduce energy costs is to minimize the amount of energy lost by your house. It will cost more. Common applications include space heating, cooking, water heating and industrial processes. Bigger homes and those in colder climates cost. Also Bob Villa states Zone heating (room or smaller area) not the whole house. For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. Since you heat all the air, nor just the first 12 inches off the floor, cubic feet measurments are required. Again, the EdenPure AND ANY HEATER using 1500 watts is going to cost too much to use as your only heat. It does not lie if you read carefully, but still, misdirection, celebrity endorsement, and colorful marketing meant to make the consumer believe overblown claims cannot make the EdenPURE portable electric heater anything but a scam. is too low you end up, cutting in a supply grill to bring the temp.
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